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It is a direct artifact of colonialism. It’s not the color, it’s not the religion. It’s imperialism. We were occupied and exploited by European governments for centuries. Racism against us was thus useful in a sense: It is morally and practically easier to exploit people who are inferior to you. It is easier to force a way of life on people whose own way of life you look down upon. This applies also to how Africans Americans were treated during slavery in the United States, or how Native Americans were looked upon. <BR/>There is obviously discrimination against people of the third world countries in the United States, but it operates differently, because the nature of imperialism has changed to fit the times. I don’t agree that Muslims or Arabs are not segregated here because multiculturalism is encouraged. Different groups of people living in separate ghettos do not constitute multiculturalism. <BR/>Racism against the old colonies is still alive and well. It originated centuries ago, but it is so established in the mainstream that it comes casually, with no reflection. Example: Compare and contrast CNN’s coverage of the daily bombings targeting civilians in Iraq, to the suicide attack in the London subway. The difference is outrageous, obscene I would say. The London bombings were a “human tragedy”, “a British 9-11”, “touching thousands of families”… Interviews with survivors, with families of victims, etc… The same incident in Iraq (probably killing more people) is covered in a drastically different way. There is no sense of devastating loss of human life; it’s cold, detached, and impersonal. It’s business as usual. People in Iraq, In Iran, in Lebanon die everyday. That’s what they do. That’s the way it’s always been. The image becomes detached of history in the mind of the Westerner. However, people of London or Madrid are easily identifiable. They have the same lifestyle; they come from the same world. It’s very simple: all people are not equal. <BR/>Of course, a lot of westerners are aware of this and oppose this way of thinking. But the fact remains.J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16106158919722929731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23321343.post-1146471024888081142006-05-01T04:10:00.000-04:002006-05-01T04:10:00.000-04:00Kierkegaard said "People demand freedom of speech ...Kierkegaard said "People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use." <BR/><BR/>I do believe that our social wellfare system in The Netherlands has gone bazurk but that counts for everyone taking advantage of it. THIS is what should be adressed, not women wearing burqa's. We have to realize though that this reaction is one of the extreme kind of reactions. I believe our Dutch melting pot is doing well. Every growth comes with pain. I see so many immigrants integrating quite well and I see Dutch people adapt their narrow minded principles. Mind you that many quotes and one-liners that get press attention are politically colored and serve another goal then promoting social behaviour.Ultra left and -right will allways shout and yell. <BR/><BR/>We're not there yet but we'll get there, I'm sure of that!DAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03081526684421864224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23321343.post-1146460583764488032006-05-01T01:16:00.000-04:002006-05-01T01:16:00.000-04:00Mirvat,Some people force women to wear the veil, b...Mirvat,<BR/>Some people force women to wear the veil, based on religious reasons.<BR/>Others, force them to take it off, based on social reasons.<BR/>The problem is that both sides want to dictate on the women what to do, in such a basic thing as to what to wear!Hashemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14890357569377275140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23321343.post-1146457160566327552006-05-01T00:19:00.000-04:002006-05-01T00:19:00.000-04:00Very nice piece. I agree with Laila when it comes ...Very nice piece. I agree with Laila when it comes to the balance between keeping your culture and beliefs and not expecting huge sacrifices from the host country. After all, immigrants should know where they are going. <BR/>I guess part of the problem is the growing Muslim population in European countries is a new demographic parameter that governments didn’t find the answer to.<BR/>And it is not just demographic, nowadays, it is also political. Northern European countries were the most friendly to Muslims, and after the cartoon incident, that kind of changed.<BR/>Playing the devil’s advocate, but isn’t true that Muslims in France or Germany identify more with Muslims anywhere in the world instead of people in the countries they live in? Accordingly, wouldn't the world be a better place if religion becomes something simply personal, something between you and god, no matter who your god is?Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05353005487906256013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23321343.post-1146453990967807392006-04-30T23:26:00.000-04:002006-04-30T23:26:00.000-04:00mirvat- i agree with you. we need a more progressi...mirvat- i agree with you. we need a more progressive society in Europe (and in America) tolerant of the spectrum of individuality. kelek's views sounded sad and disappointing... reactive toward the frustrations of culture rather than visionary. but the photograph from the without boundaries exhibit is wonderful-- can't wait to get to that!FZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16629714844763153525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23321343.post-1146442735656252872006-04-30T20:18:00.000-04:002006-04-30T20:18:00.000-04:00i understand the image that is been portrayed in t...i understand the image that is been portrayed in the post-9/11 era but the discrimination started in europe on a social level since the second world war. you're right though, it's always political..Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11322798551213196713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23321343.post-1146441488156805872006-04-30T19:58:00.000-04:002006-04-30T19:58:00.000-04:00Mirvat, you have to take into consideration politi...Mirvat, you have to take into consideration politics when it comes to how the West views us. They are being shown every single day the ugly face of us. It is like showing the people in the Middle East Timmothy Mcvay and what he did as a pure American thing. Which is untrue. <BR/><BR/> Hasidic Jews and Nuns are not presented as an example of oppressed people, but rather as a freedom of choice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23321343.post-1146417256153499182006-04-30T13:14:00.000-04:002006-04-30T13:14:00.000-04:00yes Islamic counties are not open to different cul...yes Islamic counties are not open to different cultures at all. no 2 ways about it but they don't claim they do and they don't claim they're the countries of freedom and democracy. and it is about the veil specifically that's true. like i said before if it was just an open manifestation of religion that is opposed, which i could understand, what about the hasidic jews and the nuns?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11322798551213196713noreply@blogger.com